MyDD :: Greed in the NEW democratic party

Greed in the NEW democratic party

by 1986dude, Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:12:45 PM EST

CNN reporter on site in DC just said that in his entire time covering politics he has never seen such anger. He added that Obama supporters were shocked at the anger that they saw. He was referring to the protests by Hillary supporters at the DRC meeting.

This is the biggest sign of what is to come this November if Obama is the nominee. We will see a disunited democratic party that is destined to lose. Hillary democrats are very angry and no amount of plea from Hillary will change their mind to vote for Obama. That is certainly the case for me. Many others will even go the extra mile and vote for McCain.

This could have been avoided easily but typical Obama wanted it all.

All throughout this week Obama has claimed that the nomination is his. If that is the case, why not allow full seating of the MI & FL delegation? More importantly, why resort to such sleazy tactics as stealing 4 delegates from Hillary in Michigan? If he was really secure in his belief that he is the nominee, why resort to these things? If he really has enough SD's the delegates from MI & FL would not have mattered.

He should have been magnanimous enough allowing full seating of both MI & FL delegations. Then, had that happened, Obama could have come out of it looking like a leader and problem solver. Unfortunately he did not follow this path. He went for the greedy path.

Tags: obama, greed, democrats (all tags)

Permalink :: 33 Comments :: Post a Comment

To all Obama supporters (2.00 / 5)

don't engage this diary, the author wants a fight don't give it to him.

I am stepping out of this diary now.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:15:05 PM EST

Healthcare costs are draining millions of people (none / 0)

of their equity and future. I have to take six prescriptions and I have to pay a huge amount in copays. One thing that bothers me is that all but two are generic drugs but they are still expensive. But I have insurance. I am constantly seeing old people standing shocked in the pharmacy when they are told that for some reason or another, Medicare or their insurance or whatever won't pay for some drug they need. Its changing all the time. They don't know what to do, they just sit down and cry. I am not kidding. These drug companies are bleeding us all dry.

Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1

by architek on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:47:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Warning the following diary may cause one to go insane. It is best to avoid looking at this diary.

by Hillarywillwin on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:16:21 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (2.00 / 1)

No, the one that wanted a fight was Obama. Well he's gonna get one.

Denver!

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:16:56 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (2.00 / 1)

Megadittos Rush..?

I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!

by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:18:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (2.00 / 1)

I implore all sane posters to stay out of this.

TxDem08, I'm sorry you feel that the compromise that the Michigan state party proposed was unfair to Michigan.

Have good evening.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:18:03 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (2.00 / 1)

CNN reporter on site in DC just said that in his entire time covering politics he has never seen such anger. He added that Obama supporters were shocked at the anger that they saw. He was referring to the protests by Hillary supporters at the DRC meeting.

I think booing and hissing at the concept of party unity is a fairly unique development in the history of anger.

This is the biggest sign of what is to come this November if Obama is the nominee. We will see a disunited democratic party that is destined to lose. Hillary democrats are very angry and no amount of plea from Hillary will change their mind to vote for Obama. That is certainly the case for me. Many others will even go the extra mile and vote for McCain.

If we are destined to be disunited, we will be disunited with Hillary or Obama.

We appreciate your concern, but we just have to work to fix it if it is indeed broke.

This could have been avoided easily

Sure, it could have been avoided if those angry protesters had started protesting before the vote occurred. It makes it more legitimate to argue in favor of counting votes if you don't have a vested interest.

Or maybe Harold Ickes and company should have not voted to strip the delegates to start with.

All throughout this week Obama has claimed that the nomination is his.

Cite?

He should have been magnanimous enough allowing full seating of both MI & FL delegations. Then, had that happened, Obama could have come out of it looking like a leader and problem solver. Unfortunately he did not follow this path. He went for the greedy path.

Greedy is supporting a vote count that suggests no one in Michigan supports Obama.

by libertyleft on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:18:17 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Please don't engage this diarist.

Just walk away. Let them grieve.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:20:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

No thanks, letting the echo chamber echo may cement them further in incorrect and damaging stances.

by libertyleft on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:22:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

The people you are trying to convince will not be convinced.

The people who are rational and sane will read that crap whether or not we respond to it. Engaging this crap will only make it worse.

I'm quite tempted to agree with you, but I just can't. Just let the tempest in a teapot blow itself out. Some people will never forgive nor forget, and nothing you say or do here will get them to listen fairly to what you say.

Write a good diary, open some eyes that way. But here? You just won't get anywhere.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:25:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Guess we just disagree. I've ranted and raved and foamed at the mouth many a time worse than these guys. A nice rational nudge brings me back. Boycott discussion and you never have that chance.

by libertyleft on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:30:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Obama supporters don't get it. Dismissing Clinton supporters and the anger they feel about this unfair process is not the way to unify the democratic party. Please keep doing what you are doing you are definitely helping Obama lose in November.

by 1986dude on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:24:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (2.00 / 1)

No one wants to dismiss your anger, in fact many are calling for you to express your anger without other commenters being jerks about it.

John McCain smells like mothballs.

by asherrem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:25:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (2.00 / 1)

I'm not dismissing it, I take full note of it. We had a nice long hearing today to discuss it. Bottom line, the votes count for more today than they did yesterday and Clinton has more delegates because Obama was willing to compromise. Here we are. It's not perfect but it's the best you will get.

by libertyleft on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:26:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, you don't get it. (none / 0)

You are being manipulated.

Do you understand this? You are being manipulated.

Ask yourself: to what end?

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:32:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I find it curious (none / 0)

It's facinating that you believe that Obama is the one that drove this wedge.

I'm not going to argue with you, but I suggest that you step back and look at this from a cool and collected position.

There were 13 Clinton supporters on the Rules and Bylaws committee. Some of them voted for the measure that was eventually adopted.

The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:20:39 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Tell me something, how does Obama win without Hillary supporters like me?

Im sorry, this was not fair and if anyone has been wronged it has been the voters of Florida and Michigan, like myself!

Obama 08 = Bush 00

A stolen election!

by boxer4hrc on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:24:38 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

The RBC went with the state's recommendations.

John McCain smells like mothballs.

by asherrem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:26:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

so did the supreme court, Katherine Harris was the won who called Florida for Bush!

by boxer4hrc on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:28:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Well, as of yesterday Clinton said she'd go with whatever the states decided.

That's what they decided.

John McCain smells like mothballs.

by asherrem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:43:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

but you cant really fault people for feeling like they were cheated, yet again by the system - can you? especially when the MI recommendation flies in the face of any sort of democratic solution.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:33:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How does it feel... (none / 0)

...being a pawn in a game of brinksmanship?

Do you even realize that you are a pawn in a game of brinksmanship?

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:31:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No you don't want a floor fight. (none / 0)

It's over, now let's focus on beating McCain.

We shall overcome. Yes we can.

by Sam Wise Gingy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:24:46 PM EST

This thread needs funny pictures. (none / 0)

cat

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:25:03 PM EST

Re: This thread needs funny pictures. (none / 0)

just an aside, it's strange to view your kitty's body after you've given it a bath. They are so TINY. That fur really gives them the illusion of bigness.

by colebiancardi on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:36:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Fake outrage (none / 0)

1986dude, where was your outrage when Harold Ickes and the other Clinton allies on the committee voted to strip Michigan and Florida of all their delegates?

Seriously -- where was it? Show me links.

Got none?

Then you have no standing to complain about this result. None. Because your candidate did more than anyone else to contribute to this mess.

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:28:55 PM EST

Re: Fake outrage (none / 0)

You're replying to a republican troll. Ignore him.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:30:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I do not believe... (none / 0)

...that this person is a Republican troll.

A fool, yes, but not a Republican troll.

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:34:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

We will see a bunch of these...

relax...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC2ePGkmo pg

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

by nogo postal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:34:13 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

I agree it is a NEW democratic party.

You should prepare yourself to expect more of the same.

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony

by feelfree on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:42:00 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Obama should have given 100% of the Michigan vote to Hillary.

Nobody voted for him there.

by HillsMyGirl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:03:56 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

who cares. Bill Clinton is greatness, but not everything he says is perfect. please don't insult him.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:29:02 PM EST

Re: Greed in the NEW democratic party (none / 0)

Well for me it was a huge minus for Obama. He show that 1. He is not a brave man the nomination would have been his either way 2. He doesn't have the leadership abilities that is needed. 3. He confirmed that he would not stand with principles and would game when it is in his favor.

It is ironic that Republican nominated a man that had fighted for 7 years to cut the wall street money out of washington and then the democrat are nominating this guy.

by navid on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:32:17 PM EST

You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.