They've Got the Fear

(cross-posted at Motley Moose, Clintonistas for Obama, & Daily Kos)

That's right, the GOP is terrified. They're skittish, they're nervous, they're running scared. Not from Obama, of course.

No.

They're afraid of Sarah Palin.

Honestly, can we blame them? Her record is sad enough, but her performance in interviews is abysmal. Anything unscripted, and she's in trouble. Here we have Ms. Palin seeming none too sure about what that mysterious "Bush Doctrine" might be:

At first I thought they were just a trifle nervous, but since the Couric interview their reaction to her seems to more closely resemble outright horror. And her performance was unquestionably both horrible and terror-inducing. If John McCain reaches the White House, a woman who thinks living near Russia gives her foreign policy experience is going to be a mere heartbeat (and a 72-year-old heartbeat at that) away from the Presidency. McCain is frightening, but Palin far more so. From the environment to healthcare, her positions are about as offensive as they come. Her position on abortion, a repudiation of it even in cases of rape and incest, is one which nauseates most staunch conservatives. If we think think Roe is in danger under the assault of a McCain administration, more unsettling still is the thought of the all-out crusade Palin will wage against it. If we're nervous about the prospect of having a president who doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites without Joe Lieberman whispering in his ear, we should be doubly terrified by the prospect of having a president who seems to believe that trade missions to Russia qualify as a form of negotiation with a foreign power.

CBS News reports that skittish conservatives are now asking Palin to bow out.

Palin, new to national politics, boosted Republican presidential nominee John McCain in polls and excited the party's core conservatives when he chose the first-term governor for his ticket.

Some of that shine has since worn off in polls.

And no plea has been louder or stronger than that of conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, who has desperately begged Palin to exit the race gracefully for the sake of her country. Once an enthusiastic supporter of the young governor from Alaska, Parker now writes:

When Palin first emerged as John McCain's running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood -- a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

[. . .]

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there's not much content there.

[. . .]

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

What to do?

McCain can't repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP's unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability.

[. . .]

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

Laughable though it is that Ms. Parker should describe the ultimate anti-feminist as a charasmatic feminist icon, she makes a number of good points (even a broken clock is right twice a day). Another conservative columnist Kathryn Jean Lopez, who could still be described as a Palin supporter, seems almost as disturbed by her party's nominee for vice president as her peers, writing:

But I also watch these interviews and I cringe a little. That Russia answer with Couric. Oy. It was a loaded question to be sure. But I thought a certain governor of Alaska had told us this was a time for no blinking. For (Uncle) Sam's sake. You're Sarah Palin. You're governor of Alaska. You're the mom of five. You're married to a tough guy. You can handle America's Former Sweetheart. And yet, you didn't. She may have come off catty, but you came off hesitant and unprepared. What happened to the pitbull? I see the lipstick.

I don't know Sarah Palin. Having missed the last cruise to Alaska, I've actually never met her. National Review wasn't on her list of stops this week in New York. So I can't pretend to know what her wiring is all about. But I know I like a lot of what I've heard her say. I also know a lot of what I like about her could be projection. I'm not where my friend Kathleen Parker is -- wanting her to step aside to spend more time with her family and Alaska -- but that's not a crazy suggestion. She's right to say that something's gotta change.

My personal disgust for Palin is off the charts. As a former (and current) Clinton supporter, my vision momentarily went red when she attempted to compare herself to Hillary. Using her "18 million cracks" line and asserting that she could prove capable of breaking the glass ceiling herself -- after doing nothing, accomplishing less, and offending the sensibilities of every reasonable American -- infuriated me. One would be hard pressed to find someone more opposed to Palin as a candidate and as a person than I am. Still, even I cringe watching her interviews. A great deal of cringing followed by a greater amount of laughter. But I almost feel sorry for the people who feel obligated to support this woman. Even my mother, once a Palin fan herself and a proud Republican, admitted after seeing clips of the Couric interview that she's terrified of the idea of Palin running the nation.

So how does the GOP respond?

As everyone will recall, first they managed to harass the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates until it was agreed that the vice presidential debate format would allow for shorter answer segments, their hope being that Governor Palin would have less time to embarrass herself, her state, her party, her running mate, and her nation. From the New York Times:

At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.

McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.

Now it seems that the McCain campaign has shipped Palin off to Arizona for "debate camp", apparently a more intensive exercise than the usual debate prep a candidate typically receives. Meanwhile the Obama camp is wisely playing the expectations game with the media, touting Palin's (undoubtedly formidable) debate skills and anticipating a lively, spirited debate between Palin and Democratic vice presidential nominee Senator Joe Biden. With current expectations for Palin's performance being set so low in the wake of three painful interviews, we have legitimate reason to fear that a mediocre performance would be lauded by the MSM as outstanding. At this point, the Obama campaign building her up as a talented debater is a skillful move.

"We've looked at tapes of Gov. Palin's debates, and she's a terrific debater," Plouffe told reporters on a conference call. "She has performed very, very well. She's obviously a skilled speaker. We expect she'll give a great performance next Thursday." [...]

"She's obviously prepping this weekend in Pennsylvania," Plouffe continued. "Anyone who watches any of her previous debates would be impressed by her debating skills."

There was a time when I was afraid of Sarah Palin. She fired up the lethargic conservative base (though she fired ours up as well) and got the sort of positive media coverage Barack and Hillary could only dream of. But her star has fallen, the MSM and the country are onto her. She'll do more to sink McCain's campaign than he will (and he's currently doing his utmost). So thank you, Governor Palin. Stay in the race. Make a fool of yourself Thursday night as we watch and laugh.

Do it for your country.



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Is everyone ready (2.00 / 3)

for major lulz Thursday night?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:12:34 AM EST

Re: Is everyone ready (2.00 / 1)

I agree her recent performances in these interviews have been underwhelming and in some case atrocious...

However that has really set her up to excel on Thursday because of the very low bar she would have...

If she doesn't turn it around on Thursday in the debate and move forward from there Mccain would regret not picking Romney especially now with the financial crisis..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:19:33 AM EST
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Re: Is everyone ready (2.00 / 3)

At this point if she speaks in sentences she will be hailed a victor.  Frankly I am bracing myself for some unexpected shenanigans at the debate but I'm certainly not going to miss it.  Nice to see you back.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:22:36 AM EST
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Re: Is everyone ready (2.00 / 2)

Thank You Shaun..

Took a step back from politics , went on a one week trip to Ohio ...

Nice to get to talk to regular folks about family and not politics...


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:25:47 AM EST
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Good to see you on the board lori (2.00 / 1)

Plouffe isn't full of shit when he talks about her debating prowess in the past; Biden wouldn't be spending three full six-hour days to prepare for it if he didn't respect her ability to debate.

I expect her to 1) try and flummox Biden by bringing up his past words against Obama; 2) bring up Hunter Biden as a way to get under Biden's skin; and 3) drop a lot of gs.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:25:14 AM EST
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Re: Good to see you on the board lori (2.00 / 3)

Nice to see you too.

Funny how things can change on a dime.

The momentum was all on the other side when I last posted , now the whole thing has changed lol.

Its no longer a 50/50 election , its looking like a large victory right now..

But who knows what the political waves would bring in two weeks.

It has been really interesting to follow right from the primaries...


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:30:36 AM EST
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Did Obama win you over (2.00 / 1)

with his performance at the debate on Friday?  I thought McCain would have used Biden's words against Obama on the troop funding vote and then the words of Biden and Clinton on the issue of Obama's readiness and preconditions.

That he didn't bring them up suggests to me that he didn't feel he needed to prepare as much for the foreign policy part and he focused solely on the economy stuff in his prep; McCain even seemed weak on the surge.

Obama was pretty impressive in the FP part of the debate in my opinion.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:40:35 AM EST
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Re: Did Obama win you over (2.00 / 3)

Yeah he did .

Obama did as well , if not even better on what was to be Mccain's strong point .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:57:15 AM EST
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Re: Did Obama win you over (2.00 / 1)

Sigh.  Feeling any better about his foreign policy credentials these days?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:10:22 AM EST
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Re: Did Obama win you over (2.00 / 3)

He picked Biden...

That was an excellent pick outside of Clinton...

I may never be satisfied with his foreign policy experience level but he made a governing decision by picking Biden which was wise in my view...

The foreign policy issues that made me apprehensive has largely been put to the back seat on the Biden pick , I have always said his VP pick would be important .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:20:43 AM EST
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Re: Did Obama win you over (2.00 / 1)

Good enough for me.  We've been talking about this for a long time.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 02:38:34 AM EST
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Re: Is everyone ready (none / 0)

Sorry but, no. She has to pass the CIC test. She has to not just meet or beat expectations, she has to prove that she is ready to be the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! You do this country a disservice when you think she only has to do better then her interviews. That's not enough.


by venician on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 10:07:58 AM EST
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Re: Is everyone ready (none / 0)

See, I just think of all the subjects that could come up that probably wouldn't come up in prep work and by most accounts, she wouldn't really be able to come up with a particularly cogent answer to:

Net Neutrality
Executive Privilege vs Government Transparency
Campaign Finance Reform
FEMA
McCain's League of Democracies
The Powers of the Vice President

And that's just scratching the surface. On a related note, how much fun would it be to be playing Palin in the debate prep, playing someone who doesn't know much that has to pretend to know everything.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:32:16 PM EST
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Re: Is everyone ready (none / 0)

And that's not even including the issues where she'd likely have views that fell well outside the mainstream:

Abortion
Intelligent Design
Conservation
Gay Rights


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:35:36 PM EST
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I still think... (2.00 / 2)

McBush is trying to hide some tricks up Failin's sleeve. I just hope Biden will be ready for them... And step back as Failin' then explodes! ;-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 10:53:50 AM EST
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Re: They've Got the Fear (2.00 / 3)

Excellent to see you back around here, and excellent diary.  I've checked The Moose a few times but I somehow missed your stuff over there.  I'll definitely have to check more often.

Seriously though, still no -gate action?


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:23:14 AM EST

It's the Romney wing of the party.... (2.00 / 1)

In spite of what Jerome says (we will have to deal with Palin for a decade) my take is, it's her own party mates that want her taken out.

The business classes, represented by the National Review, don't want Palin as the heir apparent when McCain loses.

Romney in particular, IMO, wants to see her get as much of the blame as possible.

So, while we want to see her fall, I think the money elite of the Republican machine is even hoping for more of a debacle then we are.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:32:21 AM EST

Controling Expectations (none / 0)

I don't think I would shouting around that Palin can't communicate with all of the crap tossed around on her, if she doesn't trip on the way to the podium she will win.

I think attacking her experieces is also counter productive, becuase the GOP VP is serving as a measuring stick against Obama's experience.  Attacking the experience gives away the label of change.  Admit it, Obama has less expereince than a 70 year old man.  It would be a much more sinceir argument to stick to change.  


by Classical Liberal on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:33:13 AM EST

Re: Controling Expectations (2.00 / 3)

In what areas?

And WHICH 70 year old man?

Does McCain have MORE experience in the business world then Obama?

Nope, neither of them have much.

Does McCain have a strong a legal background as Obama?

Nope.

I have NEVER bought the experience thing as the main criterion, cause if that is the case, we WOULD be looking at Biden vs Romney in my humble opinion...

But, it's the KIND of experience Palin has?

Alaska is such a different kettle of fish, the economic challenges, the social structures, etc.

To me, there are plenty of Republican female candidates that clearly have TONS more experience then her.

They picked her for her idelogical impact on the Republican hard right and religious base.

They have ADMITTED her experience doesn't matter to them or the base.

Sure, we are going to deal with lowered expectations and that sure worked for Bush?

BTW, you probably voted for Bush, didn't you, Classic Liberal?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:50:12 AM EST
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You'vre right (2.00 / 3)

. . . to warn of lowering expectations for Palin.  But your larger point is unpersuasive because Obama has shown over the past year that he actually knows and thinks about issues and can talk about them in a cogent way that you can at least understand even if you may not agree.  Palin just repeats stock phrases.


by JJE on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 02:38:15 AM EST
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Re: Controling Expectations (none / 0)

Funny that's exactly what the Repugs keep saying.

OH yeah that's right you are a McTroll.


by venician on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 03:17:22 PM EST
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Re: They've Got the Fear (2.00 / 2)

Palin has debating skills and a degree in journalism. She has campaigned before. Do not underestimate her. I have nightmares about her blurting out a six word phrase that would ...nevermind. Biden has to sound and act Presidential, and expose McCain: McCain lacks the temperment and real world knowledge to lead a nation during these difficult times. Not only did he not "solve" the financial crisis, he let a group of arch-conservative servants of the wealth barons of this country position themselves to scam middle and working class people as we transition into the technology age. McCain proposed a 300 billion dollar tax cut on the wealthy! Anybody heard that really stupid idea before?

As usual, it's great to read you sricki. You have been missed.


by Jeter on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 03:41:27 AM EST

Yes, keep focused on McBush... (2.00 / 1)

That's good advice. Biden shouldn't take whatever bait Failin' offers, and I don't think he plans to. Drive home the recent failures of McBush to properly address the financial crisis, and then stand back and watch as Failin' doesn't know what to do.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 11:01:16 AM EST
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Re: They've Got the Fear (none / 0)

But I thought she "gave a great speech" at the convention!11!!!1!

It just goes to show you how juvenile our public discourse is when that screeching screed can be considered passing, to say nothing about "great".


by Paul Goodman on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:49:01 AM EST

Re: They've Got the Fear (none / 0)

but it was a "great" speech. She's pooed all over it since then, though.


by Metrobot on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:57:12 PM EST
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She's not going to be a pushover (2.00 / 0)

Biden has her beat on actual policy, but you need to expect her to unleash loads of short, nasty quips that tear into Biden's history of gaffes and his opposition to Obama in the primaries (as stupid as that is to do, given Romney, Thompson, and Giulianni's support of McCain).

Biden needs to be prepared for some verbal akido that diffuses Palin's attacks and turn them around to be positives for him or negatives for McCain.  Since the format was changed, the answers need to be short and very concise.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 09:42:25 AM EST

Re: She's not going to be a pushover (none / 0)

Yeah, I think Biden is just going to do what he's been doing and laugh off when she attacks with, "Whew, you are good." And perhaps once or twice get serious about it: "governor, these attacks have no place in this debate, and I won't participate."


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:42:25 PM EST
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Oh, and... (2.00 / 1)

...it is good to see you, sricki.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 09:42:47 AM EST

Re: They've Got the Fear (none / 0)

I weary of the endless campaign and the seemingly endless Bush Administration. It's lie the dream where I am running and getting nowhere. It's like a really bad case of the flu. It's like Chemistry class.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 10:51:00 AM EST

Re: They've Got the Fear (2.00 / 1)

Sricki--welcome back. Where have you been hiding yourself?

No matter how she acquits herself Thursday I am sure Jerome is regretting his essay about her being the future of the Republican Party. Still she needs only to not vomit on the podium at this point to climb over the bar set for her.


by wasder on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 11:47:46 AM EST

Re: They've Got the Fear (none / 0)

bought popcorn special


by wrb on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 03:42:05 PM EST

Re: They've Got the Fear (none / 0)

Palin is a joke.

The usual folks who are wrong on their assumptions and educated guesses will be wrong again on Thursday. Love the armchair strategists who only strategize for the other side.

What's MyDD without concern?

Bad ass diary sricki.

I see you are frontpaging at The Moose now. Congrats on that.

Nice to see you back.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:25:21 PM EST

Newest Couric Interview (none / 0)

Well, this makes sense. Couric asked where she got her news, and she couldn't name one place. Not one publication, no website, nothing. She just said "all of them!" Which is what you say when you are completely lying because you don't want to reveal that the actual answer is "none of them!" Either that, or she reads the most hardcore, right-wing stuff imaginable.

Oh, and she also, just in case you weren't sure, said that homosexuality was a choice. It was a choice her gay friend made, but that she did not make. Which raises a whole new set of questions, but ones that nobody will ever ask.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:15:34 PM EST

Re: Newest Couric Interview (none / 0)

Someone should ask her to describe the moment when she chose to be a heterosexual. How old was she when she made that decision? What were the important factors involved? etc.


by Mystylplx on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:18:51 PM EST
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My fear... (2.00 / 1)

I've been having a recurring nightmare where Biden calls her "sweetheart," or "honey," or something. Or where he feels the need to tell her how nice she's looking...

The sad thing is I can easily picture him saying something like that. And he wouldn't mean anything by it, but it sure wouldn't go over well. I know he won't.... I pray he won't...

But I do agree with some of those above who point out the effect of lowered expectations. Biden has a much more difficult row to hoe. He has to walk the line between being overly aggressive and overly condescending, all the while being nice but not too nice... All she has to do is avoid tripping over her own feet on the way to the podium.


by Mystylplx on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:16:03 PM EST

Re: My fear... (2.00 / 1)

I would think this would have been Day One of counseling. "Just to make it easy, only call her Governor Palin. Not even Sarah. Make the effort, ONLY refer to her as Governor Palin."

But he's been saying that his one strategy has been to play nice. We all know her strategy is to be mean, and it won't come across well if he seems like a nice, thoughtful, grandfather type.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:24:04 PM EST
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I think Biden will take the Obama approach (none / 0)

Barack had opportunity after opportunity to really make McCain looks foolish but he held back. Coming off calm and "Presidential" and trying to get a hit, instead of swinging for the fences, was the perfect strategy. Biden knows that all he has to do is not fuck up and we will be good. You never know with Joe, but I'm thinking he will.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:45:01 PM EST
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Re: My fear... (none / 0)

I think you're right. I hope you're right.


by Mystylplx on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:15:20 PM EST
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Re: My fear... (2.00 / 0)

Think about it. He's already viewed as extremely competent, the only thing he has to prove is that he's a good, thoughtful guy who earnestly cares about the country. People are expecting him to be aggressive and loud, he gains nothing if he attacks. His only chance to gain ground is being very nice.

Considering Palin's only chance is to appear smart and knowledgeable, I like his odds.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:33:22 PM EST
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